I was having a look at my website stats and noticed a link coming from the infamous LJ community lolita_fucks, so I followed it. Surprisingly the link in question is a protected entry, so it makes me wonder what exactly is behind there and if it is protected so that I don't see it, or someone else... for those that posted this, I can see what you look at via my website stats so it doesn't really make it that secretive.
But that left me curious and slightly amused. I poked around for a couple of minutes though I personally can't stand the community (as I have said before we need a lot more constructive criticism and positive encouragement if we want these girls to learn about lolita fashion - hey for all I know my outfit is in there, lol) but what made me annoyed is to find that the Tasmanian organiser posted the girls that went to her Tasmanian meet up.
Well I suppose the positive message of the day is that at least I got to see what the Tassie girls looked like.
And I'm not going to hide this behind a protected entry. Maybe I will find out what part of my site is linked back there!
EDIT: And we find out. Thanks for the repost. (NOTE: As of Feb 7, eternity_horse retracted this post and apologised but the original protected entry is still active. In the first two days over 650 unique visits were recorded and over 240 people bookmarked my website)
By the way. I am sorry to any of my friends that may get upset or take offense to the content of the links posted. The community of lolita_fucks are self proclaimed bitchy people with nothing better to do than post rude and nasty things about other peoples efforts. Taking them seriously will only justify what they do, much better to laugh about how some people can be so shallow and move on. Put all that energy into creating your next fantastic outfit or costume and I will see you all at the next event (or in your lubbly galleries).
EDIT AGAIN: Actually this one makes me sad. Its one thing to pay out what you think is someones bad attempt at Lolita fashion... it is another thing altogether to make fun of peoples weight or other personal features. A new level of low!
PS. Great post and nicely put.
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The few entries mentioning the Brisbane meet up are the worst to me - because I just know that I'm one of the ones who probably count as "not lolita" :'(
And the sad thing is, these girls seemed like nice people in real life. My opinion of them is cheapened.
The Aus Loli meetups weren't about who could spend the most money on brand name clothes. They were about having fun. So if you had fun, then that is all that matters to me!
Especially when they have a community of minions. heh :P
I did have to laugh at the irony though (while I did have a good time) that in retrospect the talk all seemed very hollow and lolita-centred... This is funny because I was reading one of the other loli's LJs before, and he had a pre-event bitch about "oh noes, costumer wankers (sic) will be there and will only talk about fashion blahdiblah".
Hah, I think we take Loli more seriously then they do..! ;P
When I was in high school I went through the usual teen angst of not being in the ultra-popular group and a particular girl not liking me. I talked with my dad about it and he said "what do you want?"
I answered "I want everyone to like me."
He told me that is an impossibility. You cannot go through life with everyone liking you, the same way that you will not like everyone you meet.
In the same way, when you do things that are a little different and out-there, you will find some people praise you for it, other people are confused and some people will abuse you for it. It's the unfortunate gambit that we run as costumers trying different things.
We tried something and found that it didn't work 100%. So we shrug and move on. Let any nastiness that may exist be one sided, yeah?
I just have an instinct in me that cries out for justice :P heheh.
I'll keep doing what I love, but Lolita will leave a bitter tang in my mouth for a little while... I'll get back to my Loli designs later though ;)
No offense, but you did actually call us costumer wankers there... You have to understand that the logical and gramatical structure of your comments, despite your reassurances that you meant otherwise, imply that the costumers going to the meet are wankers and will talk in an ignorant manner about lolita. If you did not want to convey this message, then my only advice to you is to choose your words more carefully.
You are correct in stating that of course people would talk about Lolita, given the meet up's theme - and I understand your frustration in talking to someone who clearly doesn't know anything about the subject matter in question. I do not feel that ignorance on a subject gives a clear justification for name calling however.
I agree with Bec. The lolitas we met in Brisbane all *seemed* really nice in person. And the girl who was so mean and rude posted about you was as nice as pie when she came onto my journal asking for help for one of her friends who wants to cosplay. erk.
Now I get the distinct feeling that after complimenting me about my leetle hat in person and on my LJ she has probably turned around and posted a picture of it on there somewhere.
I also want to know who decides what is and isn't lolita. If they took the time to look through the snaps that end up in Kera mags or Gothic Lolita Bible they would see that there is such a diverse range of things that count as Gothic Lolita. *shrugs* I guess anyone who doesn't buy a brand label mustn't pass into that intangible glory of being a 'real' lolita.
But *shrug and hugs for Bec* I'm not going to worry about it too much. It's sad that people can be so mean spirited.
Post has been retracted by me. I was genuine in everything I have said to you and grateful for the help you have given me.
Communities like that, well people like that in general, really just make me dismiss them. If they need to do that so they feel good then they're going to lead very sad lives. Well, already do otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to do it. Hey wow, there's lots of posts about me there by Needoll (a friends ex) and Haku (what two faced scum). Apparently I'm their favourite one to hate. Doesn't say much about them, does it?
Communities like that, well people like that in general, really just make me dismiss them. If they need to do that so they feel good then they're going to lead very sad lives. Well, already do otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to do it.
I don't believe in 'karma' as such but I do believe that people who continually abuse those around them will find it fold in on them one day.
The need to control every degree of what is Lolita seems sad to me as I perceive it as an indicator of their level of self worth. You wouldn't need to pull others down if you felt good about yourself, and felt you were in some measure of control in your own life.
I've always felt the odd one out, however much I might appear otherwise. It might bother me for brief moments in time, though if their approval is the price of conformity, well it ain't worth it.
I'd rather encourage skills and enthusiasm however poorly executed.
That's why I admire you gals so much, because you all have the same opinion! :) Enthusiasm is essential to start off, and skills and ability improve with time and experience, effort, and support from others.
I love that our
obsessionhobby has allowed us to meet and get to know each other :)It's not false modestly cos I'm good at ballroom and latin american. Bellydance not so much.
LOL!! 'SOMEONE' has been calling them on the all new level of low - of their behaviour! .. hehehe
http://61percent.livejournal.com/36754.h
I realise it was an arse-y thing to do and please accept my apologies--post has been deleted by me.
My beef with you comes down to this--I resent the attitude that it appears you think of lolita as a costume--correct me if I'm wrong, it's how you have come across to me; and also that pictures of the meetups were going to be (are being???) 1.put into a costume-ing magazine, and 2. without consent from those in the pictures as you posted in oz_lolita.
That is all.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/costu
The Merriam Webster dictionary online reads
1 : the prevailing fashion in coiffure, jewelry, and apparel of a period, country, or class
2 : an outfit worn to create the appearance characteristic of a particular period, person, place, or thing
3 : a person's ensemble of outer garments; especially : a woman's ensemble of dress with coat or jacket
ALL clothing is costume - and having been to Japan myself I'm sure that home grown japanese Lolitas would be horrified at the nasty spiteful judgements of a select few who rather than spending their time being creative and positive, choose to spend their energy in a critical and destructive way.
Hmm I've not seen in anywhere online or in *japanesse* lolita magazines that Lolita equals vicious, spiteful and childish (different to childlike).
If you truely had concerns about photos being published without permission, a more mature approach would have been to contact the the photographers directly and remind them that permission was to be granted. There's no obvious connection between your actions and your intention.
1. I think of Lolita as a fashion style from Japan. However I do not personally think of it as a lifestyle for myself, but something that I wear just for meet-ups. I have never called myself "A Lolita", just someone with an interest in Lolita fashion.
2. The costuming magazine is a private publication for members only that is interested in "costume". By definition, Lolita as a fashion style is relevant to their publication regardless as to whether this is offensive to you or not. They have requested articles as it is something that interests many ACG members.
Yes, there will be an article in their publication regarding the meet-ups (photos from my previous meets have already been published in this magazine). No, I will not and never said that I would use photos without permission. My intention was that people take photos of their meet-ups to show everyone and that I would like to use a few in a publication, but of course I would ask first. I am sorry if this was not clear from the beginning.
There are quite a few of us making our own Lolita clothes and the ACG has been an open and welcoming forum for us to work on improving our skills. Because of this I feel that contributing to their magazine is a small thanks and helps to encourage those people that are going to these efforts.
A lot of people have jumped to some very big conclusions without really knowing anything about me. My aims are to promote Lolita fashion and encourage anyone at my meet-ups to learn more about Lolita, sewing and possibly even costuming if those are their interests as well as having fun and making new friends. Therefore it makes me really sad that people who have no idea who I am (or the people at my meet-ups) would go to such lengths to try to destroy the positive outlets that I have attempted to create.
People that I am really good friends with who have tried for their first time on January 27 to dress in the Lolita style have turned to me and said they want nothing more to do with Lolita if it means being associated with such negativity. This above all makes me sad and I hope very much that these friends will reconsider and disassociate the fashion style from those few individuals.
I hope you can understand my points of view even if you do not agree with them.
I appreciate your direct and informative reply. Sorry for he shit-stir. Let's put this event behind us, shall we?
I had a great time at the meet-up and I think everyone did a great job. I wonder if I got mentioned in that community knowing I didn't have many resources on how to do EGA? I'm looking forward to the next meet-up I'll be able to attend (maybe not the March one).
- Atory
I don't really know you or the situation fully but I just wanted to mention something really quickly.
I am actually a member of the site and though I do not post any pictures I do comment now and then and watch it frequently.
And, even as a member, I have actually had my pictures put on the site as well. ^^;
I sort of laughed at it and moved on. I think it's a bit harsh saying that the community is so evil and the people on it childish. Anyone that takes themselves that seriously and the fashion that seriously needs to first evaluate what they are doing with their life. =)
I think that anyone who has the time and energy to post the nasty things I saw (and I'm not talking criticisms of clothing, I'm talking attacking peoples personal features) and spend time reading them needs to evaluate what they are doing with their life. It is the people on those hate journals that are taking the fashion too seriously and not realising what its all about. I'd rather be sewing...
Anyway, just wanted to lend my support.
Just for the sake of curiosity, I know there was a new l_f created... were the pics reposted?
Sorry to bother you :)
I hope we can help you over on the ACG forums and perhaps I'll see you at manifest if I can get there this year. We are getting quite an active little group of lolitas and cosplayers from around Australia on the ACG forums all making their own outfits so you are more than welcome to ask any questions and I'm sure you will find some help and support.
I've very sorry this post upset you. It wasn't my intention to upset people.